Saturday, April 4, 2009

About Our Experience At The New Stadium This Weekend - Yankee Stadium Security Needs More Training



Nick and I ventured up to the new ballpark in the Bronx for both games this weekend. We'll just do this in bullets, in order to present the positives and negatives. There will be links to Friday night's videos from our Qik.com page throughout. Please click the links, as it will give you a much better idea of what we are writing about. We also have some photos up on Facebook, if you want to snoop around and see what we look like!

UPDATE (4/4 10:09 PM): Amazingly, Andrew from Scott Proctor's Arm managed to touch on many things that can be perceived as negative that I didn't even touch on below. Great job by Andrew. Check it out. Alex Belth over at Bronx Banter does what he does best and put the scene at the new stadium into better words than I ever could have.

Positives:
  • Getting into the stadium is much easier than ever before. The lines are short and move fast. You scan your own ticket, and the voice of god, Bob Sheppard welcomes you to the stadium from a small speaker in the turnstile. Nice touch.
  • The bleachers are the best bargain in the entire stadium. The views from the cheapest seats in the house are better than anywhere in the upper deck. We guarantee that those seats will see an increase from their $12 price come 2010.
  • The Yankees Museum is amazing. It is like a mini Cooperstown and I can see going back multiple times because of all of the baseballs with Yankee players signatures on it. When you can find a ball with Wade Taylor's signature on it, the place has succeeded. It is a small space, but the Yankees have managed to encapsulate the entire history of their franchise in a representative manner. It is much more interesting than monument park.
  • The Food Choices are better dispersed throughout the entire stadium than at Citi Field. There are the main "hubs" for places like Carl's Steaks on the lower level, but there are also smaller Carl's stands spread out through the other parts of the stadium (albeit with ridiculously long lines). It is the same with many of the other concessions stands. At Citi Field, if you want Shake Shack or Blue Smoke, you have to go to the main hub in center field.
  • Speaking of food choices, the Hard Rock Cafe is small, but offers a very fun atmosphere. The prices are similar to any other theme restaurant, so it is actually a good value considering that you can sit down and escape the elements on a cold or hot day. Interestingly enough, you can enter the restaurant from the street, but also enter from the stadium. Therefore, the general public is mingling with the ticket holders. The entrance back to the stadium is guarded by multiple security guards who check if you have a ticket - but don't scan it, or check the date on it. We will let you draw your own conclusions on that.
  • The views from the main level (200's section) are amazing. Even walking around behind the sections, where we assume standing room only tickets will be, there are great views of the field. This is definitely the best value after the $12 bleacher seats, in terms of cost and view of the actual game. Yes, the most expensive seats in the main level are a pretty unaffordable $95, but there are also $60 seats in the outfield area of the 200's level.
  • More bathrooms, more space between urinals. 'Nuff said.
Negatives:
  • Views from the entire Grandstand are terrible. Moving things back by 30 feet has made all of the difference in the world. The Grandstand evokes memories of Shea Stadium - don't count on a baseball, fair or foul, ever reaching there. This may be a positive for some who are scared of getting hit with a foul ball, but it also really removes you from the action. The seats in the outfield sections are far, far away. I would trade those $20 tickets for $12 tickets in the bleachers STRAIGHT UP - no questions asked. Any takers?
  • The entire place has an industrial feel. Beyond the unfriendly security guards, the structure itself does not make you feel welcome. There is something very cold, and gray about it. In this regard, it is the complete opposite of Citi Field
  • The flow in the concourses is easily slowed, and is at times impassable. The improved concourse size makes a difference on the field level, but on every other level the concession stands are built in a way that their lines block the entire walkway. We recognize that this was the first game and people were likely wandering around in sections they usually wouldn't be in. However, we just don't see how the Yankees can justify any standing room only in many of the sections of the stadium without first re-thinking the concession lines and working on getting people moving through the stadium. At times, we felt like we were in the concourses of the old Yankee Stadium, being bumped into from all angles
  • Friend of the blog and creator of the great baseball blog WalkoffWalk, Rob Iracane, wrote us an email, complaining about the lack of cellular service in the new stadium. He mentioned AT&T and Sprint being dysfunctional. We did notice that our live stream on Friday night was not as smooth as at Citi Field last weekend, which was disappointing. Rob points out that the Yankees had promised improved cellular network capacity at the new Yankee Stadium, but this does not seem to be the case. Also, public wi-fi is non-existent. The Yankees had mentioned wi-fi in many of the new tech announcements, but is not available yet. A systems engineer for the Yankees tells us that public wi-fi is not available yet, but eventually will be offered. Interestingly, we were able to pick up free wi-fi in the Hard Rock Cafe.
  • We had a hot dog on Friday night and the bun was stale. We had a pretzel on Saturday and it was stale. Total cost for stale food items? Over $10. This should not be acceptable, and there should be some recourse when fans are offered overpriced, stale food. Especially on the first and second days of a ballpark's existence.
  • While security guards were busy doing their best KGB impression, angrily blocking off every section (even the $12 bleacher seats), many less traveled areas of the stadium were left completely unsecured. We found many nooks and crannies in random parts of the stadium that had no security and thus encouraged illicit activity. Many of these spots also featured open-air to the outside of the stadium, so people took the opportunity to smoke cigarettes. If they wanted to, they could have been smoking a sticky, green substance, or shooting heroin. Ok, perhaps that is a bit extreme, but the Yankees have some work to do in appropriately deploying their army of security.
  • As we walked around the stadium, these unsecured zones got more and more "rapey". We really did get concerned for our safety in certain weird corners of the stadium. Our scariest moment came when we were trying to leave the stadium from the field level. Right after the Lobel's butcher window, there was a closed set of doors that had a large exit sign above them. There was no security guard blocking these doors, there was no sign on the door that prohibited anyone from going through them, and they were unlocked. We exited through the doors, along with about 5-7 other people, and that is when the nightmare began. We somehow found ourselves at the loading dock, near the players buses. Of course, the security in that area was not happy to see us. We asked them to direct us to the nearest exit of the stadium and they simply berated us, telling us that we were not allowed in the area. We tried to go back from where we came from, but we were locked in! It took 10 minutes of begging and convincing of the security guards/ policeman in the loading dock area to let us back out into the main part of the stadium. They refused to believe that we entered that area by legitimate means - even though there was 10 of us stuck in there like rats in a maze. Eventually someone came with a key and let us back out. It is very unfortunate that our phone battery was dead by the time this incident occurred preventing us from having video proof of the fiasco. On Saturday, this door was being guarded, so hopefully the Yankees have learned from this first day mistake.
  • The Legends Premium Club on the lower level was built in poor taste. It features floor to ceiling glass windows, so the patrons are in a fishbowl. It is like that from outside of the stadium on the street as well. The Yankees are clearly trying to get everyone to see the exclusive restaurants/clubs and get overwhelmed by feelings of envy, thus paying whatever ridiculous fee that it will take to get in there. Not working on us - it just comes off elitist, furthering the "Titanic" feel of the entire stadium. At Citi Field, the Caesar's club on the exelcior level and the indoor concessions on the promenade level have the same exclusive feel to them, but everyone with a ticket to the stadium is allowed in. [UPDATE: We have received word that the Caesar's club is only for "Ebbets and Caesars Club seat holders and Sterling Suite holders"].
  • On Friday night, the water in the bathrooms was ice cold, on Saturday, it was luke warm. The trend is our friend, but for now, score another one for Citi Field, which featured warm water.
The new stadium is quite an impressive sight, but we spent much of our weekend longing for the days of the old Yankee Stadium. Unlike Citi Field, the new Yankee Stadium is a no fun zone. Perhaps it is the attitude that the Yankee management instills upon all of their employees from top to bottom, but anyone wearing a security jacket except for one friendly security lady in section 320A was downright rude. Also, the NYPD presence in the seating areas was unnecessary and they were also very rude. In the past, if a baseball fan was unhappy with their experience at Yankee Stadium, the alternative was to go and see a game at Shea Stadium. With the beautiful and fun Citi Field now in Flushing, the Yankees need to re-think their policies fast -before they lose the more casual fans to the Mets.

All of the mistreatment by security aside, we just wanted to have a good view of the field. Unfortunately our season tickets in section 428 of the Grandstand don't really offer that. While unobstructed, they are so far away that we really feel like we are removed from the action on the field. Reading through the archives of this blog (and its predecessor, NYYStadiumInsider.com), we realize that we were often critical of the lack of amenities at the old Yankee Stadium. Perhaps the grass is always greener on the other side, but at this point we would trade our surprisingly good sushi and Lobel's steak for the amazing views from the upper deck of the old Yankee Stadium in a heartbeat.

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Actually, I think the guards are right. You're not allowed to shoot live video inside of a baseball stadium without the express permission of the team and/or Major League Baseball, depending upon the game. You can get ejected for that actually.
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Ross you hit the nail on the head with this post. I know I am a Met fan and it is expected that I would like Citi Field more but honestly I got the feeling that the new stadium DOES NOT enhance the fans experience of actually watching the game. It is nice to have better food, restaurants, and more bathrooms but you are there to watch a game and it seems like the Yankees forgot about that.

Question about the upper deck, is there more leg room? It didn't seem that way and how comparable was it to Citi Field.
1 reply · active 833 weeks ago
While I had no run ins with security today, I did notice that they almost went out of their way to be rude. There were also so many police officers that I noticed they started creating their own obstructed views.

Honestly, I'm wondering what I can do to complain about the situation. It's really over the top where I watched fans getting yelled at for going places they were actually allowed to go.
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Fake Ian Kennedy · 833 weeks ago

As far as the food choices, I disagree with you in that BPalm and I could not find a NY Grill in more than one place in the stadium (in the 300's section). The reason we wanted that food specifically is because they had a decent $10 deal that included three sliders (choice of Beef, Chicken, or Buffalo Chicken) and fries. After waiting five minutes on line while it didn't move, circling the stadium to find another NY Grill, and then waiting another ten minutes on line, I got to the front to order my Buffalo Chicken Sliders and was told they did not have them. I said, "Today, or ever?" and she said today, she thinks. Like the days of old Yankee Stadium when you'd wait 15 minutes to order a hot chocolate which they had already ran out of, this incident very much gave me the same old Yankee Stadium feel: long lines, overpriced food, and ineptitude. (I will say that the cashier who helped me was nice and apologetic, but this did not change the fact that there were no "Coming Soon" signs over the menu to let me know they may not have every item today for the exhibition game).
1 reply · active 833 weeks ago
How do I post that picture of the blocked view in Row A, Secction 319 (Jim Beam Suite Seat)?
1 reply · active 833 weeks ago
When I was there Thursday, the guards weren't openly hostile, but they still wouldn't let you into any seating section (including the upper deck) unless you had a ticket. Someone who was there last night told me they were even checking tickets to get into the bleachers, which is just bizarre.

I agree that all things considered, the 200 level and the bleachers are the best value. Though $90 to sit in what's the equivalent of the old Main (or front of the old Loge) isn't much of a bargain, and the bleachers, while okay, are still farther from the field than in the old place. And large chunks of them will miss out on opposite-field homers thanks to the CF restaurant, not just those in the officially "obstructed" seats.

The only way I could see this place becoming workable is if fans stay away in droves, the Yankees are forced to offer steep discounts on the 200 level seats, and they stop telling guards to stop people from moving up out of embarrassment for all the empty seats down by the field. Even then, though, the upper deck would be mostly unusable.

It's really tragic, but you can't say we didn't have warning.
I got yelled at by a ticket guy for not knowing how to scan my ticket in--yesterday it was done for me so I was confused. I found security to be really polite to me and one guard even let me sit down somewhere that was not my seat briefly so I could take a picture for a friend. My HUGE nota bene here is that I am a youngish woman.

I don't get the grandstand hate, I was pleased that row 12 is much closer than I was expecting. It's not where the equivalent last year would be, for sure, but I think it's about where my Row R seats were. I liked that I could see the whole field from where I was sitting (Section 417 today, 415 yesterday). Last year if you sat beyond the area just behind homeplate parts of the field got cut off very fast.
I guess they have no choice to check tickets in the seating areas because they are selling standing room.... Gotta keep those bums out of the seats somehow...
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newstadiumrocks · 833 weeks ago

I was at both games on Friday and Saturday, and my experience was nothing like that reported here regarding security guards - in fact, it was completely positive and I thought they were actually pleasant and friendly. I asked at least 10 different guards if I could enter their sections to take a few photos, and acknowledged that I didn't have the correct ticket. Every single one of them politely allowed me to wander into the various sections and shoot. I even spoke to a few of the "ambassadors" and found them to be knowledgeable and informed.
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The Yankees are all powerful. They probably know who the bloggers are and treat them like crap...
i mean seriously I am starting to think that sites like these are out for the yankees.... I went last night, had a great time.... no bothered me, everyone was saying welcome to yankee stadium, when i was leaving they said have a good night. I sat in 223 and had a great view and I got them on stub hub for $52 each. perfect view! Walked all around the stadium, bleachers to home plate twice. once on the main level and once on the field level. No one bothered me once when i stopped behind home plate on field level to take a picture.

At first I thought that it would be a nightmare at the new stadium but I was wrong. If you think that any stadium would offer cheap food or beer you are a fool. GO to a resturant in the city and you pay the same prices. Welcome to New York, you want cheap become a K.C. Royals fan.

As for the the "grey feeling" I did not get that sense. Its called concrete. There are pictures everywhere and I am sure by opening day there will be more stuff up. They still have a lot of finishing touches. And the reason why they had these 2 games was because it was a test run for the next 81 games to come. They have never had a game in this place before last night, I give them a lot of credit for what they have done. I had a great time and looking forward to the next game...... with my $12 bleacher/stand behind homeplate seats!
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mastermind · 833 weeks ago

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv256/tkservo4...
Here is a view from the actual seat- I took a few from other sections and it was about the same
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mastermind · 833 weeks ago

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv256/tkservo4...
this one is better I think
I liked my grandstand seat and my bleacher seats as well so I cant complain about seats
I also found the concourse way to crowded and much like the old stadium and there were only 35,000? in stadium friday- this was the only reason I thought perhaps a new stadium was needed in the first place- more space
It also looks like the qe2 backed into the bleachers. Im not liking the look of that restaurant out there.
otherwise my guard got to know us at the workout day so he has been very friendly
time will tell as the season goes on and if me and my 7 year old can try and get batting practice hr balls in lower right field stands-
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mastermind · 833 weeks ago

http://i689.photobucket.com/albums/vv256/tkservo4...
Im sure it had to have been cleaned up by friday but at the workout day in section 203 of the bleachers- wires, screws and nails were lying around on the ground
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ScooterFan · 833 weeks ago

I'd like to thank you guys for not drinking the koolaid regarding this billion dollar boondoggle. The Yankee PR machine is shrewd and they have most of the media reading their talking points. I love John Sterling, but John, this place isn't like the renovated Yankee Stadium. I love Francesa, but Mike, this place is not a replica of the old Yankee stadium. Good grief Mike, you're too smart for this. The beauty of Yankee Stadium is that the upperdeck was so close to the field. Those days are over, and they're not coming back. Perhaps I won't either. I certainly won't eat in there. Next time you go to a game I recommend people eat at the Crown Diner next to the McDonalds behind the EL. The Crown has good food at good prices, and the best thing is that Trost and Levine don't get the PROFITS.
I dont see how you could be calling the security guards "KGB" for not letting people down into sections you dont have a ticket for. The meadowlands for Giant games do this as well as the lower sections at MSG. The security guards were doing their jobs and doing it correctly.
I actually saw someone 2 -3 years ago get punched in the face after asking someone to move b/c they were in HIS seats. It was 3 young idiots vs him and his wife/gf. He asked if they could move and they said no. He said do I have to get security and that is when he was sucker punched. Luckily when security finally came, myself and other fans told what hapenned and those 3 thugs were escorted somewhere.
So if your mad about lookin to sit in someone else's seat, be mad at the Yankees not the guards. They were just doing their job the way they were told too.
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As for food prices, this is NY, have you been out in NYC? Its $10-12 for a drink.I think we should be thankful that we are still allowed to bring in our own food still. Nobody is forcing you to eat their food. You can watch the game w/ a hero from your favorite deli or a sandwich made from home. If you choose to buy a hot dog or burger that is YOUR choice. However the Yankees atleast give you the choice to bring anything you want in their building.
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Bronx Jeers · 833 weeks ago

This assessment pretty much sums it up for me. My seat in the RF terrace is a nightmare. Can't even see CF. The bleachers blow my 50$ seat away. Standing in the lower decks offered great views but something tells me the Nazi guards are gonna catch on and shoo everybody out of there. Beer prices are way out of control. 9$ for a can of Schlitz? I tried to buy a Nathan's dog but waited too long so I left. The stadium looks nice from the outside and the Hall is cool but the inside is nothing special. Open concourses have been around for a while. The outfield walls are terrible covered in ads with too many bullpen windows and manual scoreboards that no one can see. I want the old stadium back!
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cheshirecat9 · 833 weeks ago

I had a completely different experience at the Stadium. Everyone was friendly to me. I had great seats (never would be able to afford them for a real game) so I can't speak for the views. The prices were a bit ridiculous, but did people expect anything less? They aren't that much more then the old stadium. I guess I didn't explore the place enough to find sketchy nooks and crannies, but I have to say the hallways are a vast improvement over the dinginess of the old stadium. Food options are much better and I like the vendor's new uniforms.
Any comments on the new sections 103 & 104 ?
Shea is back, but this time, in the BRONX!

Finally, people telling the truth about this disaster. Only 25 years to think about it and the best they could come up with is bringing the Frieze back? And this at the expense of actually seeing the game! The bowl design affords terrific seats to everyone in the first row on the field. The rest of us just need to watch from home, as that's the only place where we might be able to see the action. Has anyone at HOK actually been to a game in any stadium?

The place is a cold grey uninviting tomb. I liked someone's No-Fun zone discription. We are now married to this.... FOREVER! And to think the tax payers paid part of the tab...

Pricing is pricing. It's NY. YOu want to lower prices? Revoke the antitrust clause and allow true competition to drive down prices.

As for rude staff? It's NY.

They could convert it into a mall and rebulid the stadium back next door....
I work as security at Yankee Stadium and I love it how everyone acts like we're the ones that make the rules (rolls eyes)
1 reply · active 829 weeks ago
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